Judo or Aikido? (For Stand-up grappling)?

Both are good, Id worry more on finding a teacher of one or the other that is good and you can get too more so.





Try the classes out and you will know which one is for you!





good luck

Judo or Aikido? (For Stand-up grappling)?
Judo is far superior to Aikido in grappling...


(VERY biased opinion)





Judo works speed, setups, strength, and actually has competitions allowing the judoka to improve their skills. Aikido is more of a philosophy and operate using misdirection.





I respect Aikido but it simply is not nearly as effective at grappling.





Bottom line - Judo is simply more physically challenging and more realistic.
Reply:both arts are excellent. the problem is people are familiar with judo so they're going to say judo. as if you were to as which is better bjj or judo, most are going to say bjj (i prefer judo overall). if you looking for a good arts of the two look into aiki-jujitsu, combination of jujitso and aikido. i dont know the state that you are in but google/yahoo it.
Reply:If you talk about grappling, it is mostly on the ground...in which case, judo is best to use.


Aikido however, is efficient if the opponent is not so skilled in martial arts. It is mostly used for defense, disarming and nuetralizing an opponent.


Imagine if you are attacked by a person you know you can topple..it is overreacting if you put him to the ground and grapple using judo technique. Aikido can do the neutralizing in that case.


I agree with Niki D, Judo is strong. I say, Aikido is fluid.


I practice both. I discovered Judo is too much just for defense but Aikido is short of real technique for the ground.


Finger locking is useful for standup...it is practiced in aikido.
Reply:Man, that is a great screen name. I think I commented on that before...





Fingerlocking is great for standup? Seriously? Have you ever actually finger locked a live resisting opponent? Probably not, because you would realize that while you are working on his digits using one hand to control the other to lock, that you are missing a key component (a hand to protect your face from being hit).





There is no comparison for stand up grappling. Aikido is completely unrealistic. Certain styles are a bit more realistic, such as Tomiki, because they actually spar with full resistence and tend to have an idea of what works and what doesn't. Small joint manipulation isn't really effective until you have complete control of an opponent, and only then it works for pain compliance such as getting him to place his armbs behind his back.





But in reality, multi step, long circular throws that require different phases of direction do not work, even against unskilled people, because unskilled people do not follow. They do not allow you to move them all over the place, and they will pull away instead of remaining gripped.





Aikido doesn't work for a number of reasons. Number one, you have to be doing it for YEARS to acquire any real skill at it. Even after acquiring that skill against most people it will not be effective. MANY Aikido techniques REQUIRE complete cooperation between Uke and Tori. (Throwee and thrower perspectively). In reality most of the techniques were designed for wearing armor, and weilding a sword. So defenses against wrist grabs, and long circular throws were required. However, now a days you are not wearing armor, or weilding a sword. Opponents aren't trying to grab your wrist, they are trying to punch your face, and they aren't encumbered by armor, so long circular throws are very hard to pull off. You need short, fast, dynamic throws that place a person on his back with speed and intensity, with real kime. Otherwise he will resist and defend, and since you are not trained for that, you are pretty much stuck.





Judo trains with 100 percent resistance. They train at full speed, full instensity against resisting opponents who are also trying to throw them. They get to practice against total strangers in an adrenaline based situation in tournaments. Judo is constantly evolving, new throws developed, new ways of throwing developed, many many Judoka cross train in BJJ now, and enter No Gi grappling competetions. Hell there are plenty of Judo places that are training both with, and without Gi thanks to guys like Gokor.





Aikido you get magic pants, ineffective techniques that haven't changed in 100 years, and an art that requires your opponent to cooperate with you in order to pull off.





You want to know what works, look at what is out there and where there is success. U.S. Military Modern Army combatives, throws are Judo based. USMC MCMAP Program, throws are Judo based, ground techniques Sambo and BJJ based.





MMA: throws/takedowns Judo, Sambo, Wrestling based.





Krav Maga: Takedowns, throws, Judo and wrestling based. (Could be because Imi Lichtenfield also did wrestling)





Law Enforcement: Takedowns, Judo based, minimal pain compliance techniques Jujitsu based.





In nearly every aspect of effective range, grappling is primarily Judo based. Brazilian JiuJitsu was taught to Carlos Gracie by a Kodokan Gosen Judo based Judoka.





In every aspect where unnarmed fighting is tested, no one uses Aikido techniques. To me that speaks volumes.





But that is just my opinion, biased or not. I have a Dan ranking in Judo, and have reached Brown Belt in Tomiki Aikido. Even though I consider Tomiki to be more realistic, I still found it lacking in comparison to Judo. I did enjoy it, and the only reason I didn't stick with it was because the school moved and we no longer shared dojo space with them. However I enjoyed it, but did not find it incredibly realistic or effective, it is super fun for party tricks and putting pain compliance moves on drunk friends. However I wouldn't have, and have never used any of it in a real fight.





That is my opinion, take it for what it is worth.
Reply:I stand with what I've started with 10 years ago nl aikido. The first truth in aikido is also the fundamental truth when on the defensive: whatever comes get out of it's way. Aikido teaches you to handle an attack from a safe angle and process an attack without your opponent being able to get back at you. It's true that there's a lot of people that question the true effectiveness of aikido but I can only say that these people haven't really understood aikido. The basic techniques are external and indeed pretty unpractical at times. The thing you learn is to transform these techniques to their inner form and use as little technique as possible to handle your opponent. It's a process that takes years to master but a master of aikido is very hard to beat. (there's many stories of MA demo's where aikido masters beat various other MA and even when faced with multiple opponents). Oh BTW just as to react to the guy above. You should really try to follow a course with one of the aikido greats. What does a fighter do when he does not see, does not feel and thus does not know what is happenig untill he is subdued. Just try it and be amazed (I did and that's what has kept me going for the last 10 years) Aikido surprises the opponent and that's it's succes
Reply:judo definatly. i used to take aikido and jujitsu now aikijutsu and thaiboxing. aikido has only certain amoutns of techniques that will work. for instance standing joint locks arent very hard to pull off against a bumb on the street but when fighting an experienced judo fighter you cant do them because while you are working on your parrying they will find a way to put you on the ground. aikido just doent involve enough ground work. so from there on he will have you. both arts are fairly similar in that the use the oponents momentum against them aswell as using trips and throws, chokes and joint locks but judo is just more superior. stand up graplling isnt realy something ive come across maily because in grappling people will fall to the ground so therefore stnading up is only where grappling starts. but for taking people down judo will do the trick.





also think about this have you ever heard of an aikido fighter in mixed martial arts