The first move is the move that Gomi was tapped out with. It was like a shoulder triangle with the arms. Gomi's arm was across his face and the guy had him choked from side control. Gomi got out of it the first time but the second time he couldn't. I've seen the move in Judo and grappling but maybe it was a slightly different variation. I don't understand how it was so effective. I've tried it in matwork before but couldn't tap my opponent out. What is the name of this choke and what's the key to it working?
The second move is an arm bar from kesa-gatame (side position head and arm). I've been tapped out on this before. I think maybe I wait to long before I recognize it but is there a defense against it once the arm is wrapped up by the leg? I've been able to fight it off for a while when locked up in the leg bu eventually they get it. I suppose the key is to recognize it right before the arm is taken?
Do you know these two grappling moves and how to defend / attack with them?
It is a shoulder choke. The key is to place your head against your opponent's arm and slide across his face like a triangle choke and lock your arms like a rear naked choke with one arm locked in the crevice of your elbow and squeeze. If it is not tapping him out hold and get into kesa gatame on the same side of your head that you have locked him into and walk towards his head.
The key to getting out of kesa gatame is to make sure they do not trap your close arm across their stomach. If they do trap your close arm take your free hand and push against the neck, swivel your hips towards them and swing your leg (same leg as free hand) across the neck. Another counter is to clasp your hand around their waist as they are going for it and swivel your hips under them and roll them over your stomach. Last counter is to push both hands on the neck and swivel your hips toward them and swing your leg across their neck.
Reply:I know what you are referring in the first one...is it where you put one of your arms through the opponents armpit and the other through the opposite side of the neck and lock your arms?
I beleive it is a choke in judo, and its defense is almost the same as trying to defend against triangle.
Sunday, April 26, 2009
Can anyone make a list of good grappling martial arts?
Basically, i am trying to peice together my own JKD, i already have striking covered with kickboxing. I'm taking up 7* mantis and wing chun (taught by the same people who teach Kick boxing) which should cover locks etc.
I have no intention of adding another martial art to the list yet, but i'd like to get an idea of what i'm looking for, ready for the future, so to complete covering of all striking ranges, i want to try to get some kind of grappling art in mind. (although its going to be more "what fits into my schedual" then anything else)
So if anyone knows a large number of grappling martial arts it'd be appreciated.
Also if you know any area's which are left open from studying the following could you let me know
Kickboxing (mixture of muay thai, chinese and japanese kickbxoing it seems... More like boxing + TKD with a kickboxing stance actually)
Wing Chun
Seven Star Praying Mantis.
ok, thanks in advance, and please no troll answers.
Can anyone make a list of good grappling martial arts?
you could learn a lot and raise money by getting along to this...
Reply:A good list...
Sambo
BJJ
Judo
Wrestling/Catch Wrestling
Reply:My Father is a wing chun instructor in florida.
The modern JKD is MMA (mixed martial arts) which is what i do, if you want to be well rounded, then train in mma.
but here is a list of grappling arts.
Combat Jiu Jitsu (what i do)
Brazillian Jiu Jitsu
Jiu Jitsu
Submission Wrestling
Wrestling
Sambo
Grecko Roman Wrestling
Judo
Reply:You've gotten a great list of answers...I highly enjoy the old-style Japanese Ju-jutsu we study at my dojo...
Reply:bjj
judo,
wrestling
Reply:Japanese jiu-jitsu
Brazillian Jiu Jitsu
Judo
Wrestling
That covers every Major grappling art that I can think of.
Former jiu-jitsu coach,Boxer,Bouncer :)***
Reply:Some good lists here, so far. But something to keep in mind is that there's a difference between straight up grappling and then there's what I consider groundfighting. The divider between the two is that the latter includes strikes.
The strikes set up your sweeps and submissions. they're a great tool to distract or even to finish fights. People who don't practice sparring with strikes on the ground aren't always ready for that facet of reality. Of course, with your superior Judo, Sambo, or BJJ skills you should be able to neutralize an untrained person's attempts at striking from the ground, but still...
I'll tell you a brief story about me and this other guy in my MMA class, who I outweigh by twenty pounds. It goes like this; I almost always submit him. We started working ground and pound, and he landed so many shots that I would've been TKO'd 3 times in one round. It changed the dynamics A LOT.
Oh, also, I would like to mark a distinction between grappling arts. There are grappling arts that focus on standing jointlocks, there are grappling arts that focus on takedowns, and there are grappling arts that emphasize groundfighting. Of course, there is some crossover, but each grappling art is strongest in one of those areas.
For example, Aikido, Hapikido, Chin Na, etc are focused on standing joint-locks and takedowns that are done from a relative distance.
Wrestling works a lot from the clinch, and is mostly getting your opponent to the ground.
Judo and Sambo are heavily focused on takedowns as well, but they include a healthy amount of groundfighting.
Brazilian JiuJitsu and Submisson Wrestling have a bit of clinch and takedown stuff, but their primary focus is on ground grappling.
Make sure you know what you're getting into.
Reply:BJJ
Sambo
Judo
Wrestling
Reply:I did not see what was answered yet so these may have already been stated.
Ju Jitsu
BJJ
Hapkido
Aiki Jujitsu
Grecko-Roman Wrestling (though not an Asian MA it is still a ground art)
Sambo
MMA
Those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head but there are more of course.
I have no intention of adding another martial art to the list yet, but i'd like to get an idea of what i'm looking for, ready for the future, so to complete covering of all striking ranges, i want to try to get some kind of grappling art in mind. (although its going to be more "what fits into my schedual" then anything else)
So if anyone knows a large number of grappling martial arts it'd be appreciated.
Also if you know any area's which are left open from studying the following could you let me know
Kickboxing (mixture of muay thai, chinese and japanese kickbxoing it seems... More like boxing + TKD with a kickboxing stance actually)
Wing Chun
Seven Star Praying Mantis.
ok, thanks in advance, and please no troll answers.
Can anyone make a list of good grappling martial arts?
you could learn a lot and raise money by getting along to this...
Reply:A good list...
Sambo
BJJ
Judo
Wrestling/Catch Wrestling
Reply:My Father is a wing chun instructor in florida.
The modern JKD is MMA (mixed martial arts) which is what i do, if you want to be well rounded, then train in mma.
but here is a list of grappling arts.
Combat Jiu Jitsu (what i do)
Brazillian Jiu Jitsu
Jiu Jitsu
Submission Wrestling
Wrestling
Sambo
Grecko Roman Wrestling
Judo
Reply:You've gotten a great list of answers...I highly enjoy the old-style Japanese Ju-jutsu we study at my dojo...
Reply:bjj
judo,
wrestling
Reply:Japanese jiu-jitsu
Brazillian Jiu Jitsu
Judo
Wrestling
That covers every Major grappling art that I can think of.
Former jiu-jitsu coach,Boxer,Bouncer :)***
Reply:Some good lists here, so far. But something to keep in mind is that there's a difference between straight up grappling and then there's what I consider groundfighting. The divider between the two is that the latter includes strikes.
The strikes set up your sweeps and submissions. they're a great tool to distract or even to finish fights. People who don't practice sparring with strikes on the ground aren't always ready for that facet of reality. Of course, with your superior Judo, Sambo, or BJJ skills you should be able to neutralize an untrained person's attempts at striking from the ground, but still...
I'll tell you a brief story about me and this other guy in my MMA class, who I outweigh by twenty pounds. It goes like this; I almost always submit him. We started working ground and pound, and he landed so many shots that I would've been TKO'd 3 times in one round. It changed the dynamics A LOT.
Oh, also, I would like to mark a distinction between grappling arts. There are grappling arts that focus on standing jointlocks, there are grappling arts that focus on takedowns, and there are grappling arts that emphasize groundfighting. Of course, there is some crossover, but each grappling art is strongest in one of those areas.
For example, Aikido, Hapikido, Chin Na, etc are focused on standing joint-locks and takedowns that are done from a relative distance.
Wrestling works a lot from the clinch, and is mostly getting your opponent to the ground.
Judo and Sambo are heavily focused on takedowns as well, but they include a healthy amount of groundfighting.
Brazilian JiuJitsu and Submisson Wrestling have a bit of clinch and takedown stuff, but their primary focus is on ground grappling.
Make sure you know what you're getting into.
Reply:BJJ
Sambo
Judo
Wrestling
Reply:I did not see what was answered yet so these may have already been stated.
Ju Jitsu
BJJ
Hapkido
Aiki Jujitsu
Grecko-Roman Wrestling (though not an Asian MA it is still a ground art)
Sambo
MMA
Those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head but there are more of course.
Does anyone know a good website where they teach grappling techniques for free?
Does anybody know any grappling website where they show grappling techniques along with pictures and videos. I would like to learn grappling and their moves.
Does anyone know a good website where they teach grappling techniques for free?
If you don't already; you should consider going to a good jujitsu school to learn. Watching videos and looking at pics may help but it's not the same as rolling around with someone and trying to get them in a move. Here is a link below.
http://onthemat.com/techniques.php
Reply:no idont know u can consult google for this
Reply:yeah.www.youhaveyourhandonyourdick.com
Does anyone know a good website where they teach grappling techniques for free?
If you don't already; you should consider going to a good jujitsu school to learn. Watching videos and looking at pics may help but it's not the same as rolling around with someone and trying to get them in a move. Here is a link below.
http://onthemat.com/techniques.php
Reply:no idont know u can consult google for this
Reply:yeah.www.youhaveyourhandonyourdick.com
Everyone: Striking or Grappling?
I want to take a poll of sorts, my question is which to you think is the best for ("real") fighting? Striking or Grappling? I'm not asking about any specific martial art, but you may give any reasons or details you wish on why you chose one or the other.
Everyone: Striking or Grappling?
It is really a more complex question than it sounds on the surface, as there are a lot of factors to be considered and the answer may not be the same for everyone.
Ideally, either a striker or a grappler is going to have a significant advantage over an untrained fighter. Likewise, a good fighter is going to have some skills in both striking and grappling (like any MMA fighter for example).
Which should be the focus of training is going to depend on a number of factors including: size, strength, quickness, flexibility, and experience of the fighter.
Okay, have I waffled enough? If forced to pick one, I would have to go with grappling. Why? Studies of fights involving police officers have shown that "real" fights usually end up going to the ground. The grappler is not only prepared for that eventuality, but skilled in taking his opponent down so that he can play to his strengths. This is why many police agencies around the country (and around the world) are training their officers techniques that are primarily based on grappling.
Again, well rounded is best, but I will always put my money on the grappler.
Reply:Best are effective in real fighting if you know what you're doing. However, I would say striking. the reason is due to the fact that if you know where to hit someone, you can make that person really regret taking you on. One strike and it's all over. Grappling takes more work and effort. I'd rather hit once on the right spot, than take you down and break something. but this is my opinion.
Reply:Grappling
Reply:I choose striking
The reason is because you have to stick to what you know, and what I've done is karate, kickboxing and muay thai.
I understand and I'm aware of the benefits of both, but I love striking, and watching striking competitions.
Reply:You need both, but i would choose striking, it is the quickest way to end a conflict and hitting to the vital points would take out someone much larger than you or give you enough time to get away, also striking would work better against multiple opponents
but you need to learn at least some grapling moves, its not as easy as one is better than the other, if you shock someone with a strike this would be the best time to put a hold on them, and if the other guy has you in a hold you need to be able to get out of it
if you had to choose one or the other id go with striking but its so important to learn both its not funny
Reply:It would really depend ont he situation for me. I work at a hospitol, and if a patient or visitor got violent (which happens pretty often) there is no way I could just knock them around until they decided to stay down. A joint lock would be my best bet. If I know help is coming quickly, I would definitely use grappling moves rather than do something that could seriously injure some one.
If I was getting mugged or something it would be all strikes. I'll call the cops after the guy is on the ground and doesn't need to be restrained.
But I'm only 5'5" and about 120 lbs, so even if the situation called for grappling, I might use some strikes to "soften 'em up," as my sensei liked to call it. ;)
Reply:striking because falling on the ground is your last resort and its harder to intercept weapons
Reply:Really complex question, but on it's face, grappling. most people are clueless about groundfighting, whereas it doesn't take a genious to figure out how to punch somebody.
Reply:Striking by far. It is faster and more effective. Less chance to get out of it. Bang,, bang you're done!
Reply:Im primarily a striker. Boxing atemi-ryu ju jitsu and aikido i focus on striking. I loe it but that doesnt undermine the importance of grappling. I grapple with wrestlers all the time that way i can learn to tand back up if one of my fights go to the ground besides now you have aloit of high school wrestlers who know a lil but are clueless about striking whereas the grounds there home
Reply:There are good %26amp; bad about both. Grappling is better on the ground %26amp; in close. Striking is better against multiple attackers %26amp; gives you the option of being more proactive. I'm a striker (Tae Kwon Do) but I recognize the advantages of other styles. My main reason for not taking up a grappling style is my age. I'm 59 %26amp; falling down hurts %26amp; it takes forever to get back up.
Reply:Okay the best would be a mix of the two. But striking can end a fight a lot quicker
Reply:by fighting. aggressively it would have to be striking, spur of the moment decision maybe contained outburst of anger or self control, of loss of control of ones emotions.
but as people on here have said, for a more controlled situation, ie. use by police in a "civilized" manner, it would have to be grappling. because you have complete control of the ammount of pressure to use. I think once they stop wriggling in pain or when they turn blue to black...
where as in striking, different people have diferent tollerance for pain and a soft strike the nose to one person is a different feeling to another person.
Reply:Striking. If you are fighting more than one opponent do you want to roll around on the ground and be tied up? If you are fighting one opponent do you wnat to roll around on the ground?
Reply:Why not use both and become a more well-rounded fighter?
Reply:Neither. Running! King of all sports.
Everyone: Striking or Grappling?
It is really a more complex question than it sounds on the surface, as there are a lot of factors to be considered and the answer may not be the same for everyone.
Ideally, either a striker or a grappler is going to have a significant advantage over an untrained fighter. Likewise, a good fighter is going to have some skills in both striking and grappling (like any MMA fighter for example).
Which should be the focus of training is going to depend on a number of factors including: size, strength, quickness, flexibility, and experience of the fighter.
Okay, have I waffled enough? If forced to pick one, I would have to go with grappling. Why? Studies of fights involving police officers have shown that "real" fights usually end up going to the ground. The grappler is not only prepared for that eventuality, but skilled in taking his opponent down so that he can play to his strengths. This is why many police agencies around the country (and around the world) are training their officers techniques that are primarily based on grappling.
Again, well rounded is best, but I will always put my money on the grappler.
Reply:Best are effective in real fighting if you know what you're doing. However, I would say striking. the reason is due to the fact that if you know where to hit someone, you can make that person really regret taking you on. One strike and it's all over. Grappling takes more work and effort. I'd rather hit once on the right spot, than take you down and break something. but this is my opinion.
Reply:Grappling
Reply:I choose striking
The reason is because you have to stick to what you know, and what I've done is karate, kickboxing and muay thai.
I understand and I'm aware of the benefits of both, but I love striking, and watching striking competitions.
Reply:You need both, but i would choose striking, it is the quickest way to end a conflict and hitting to the vital points would take out someone much larger than you or give you enough time to get away, also striking would work better against multiple opponents
but you need to learn at least some grapling moves, its not as easy as one is better than the other, if you shock someone with a strike this would be the best time to put a hold on them, and if the other guy has you in a hold you need to be able to get out of it
if you had to choose one or the other id go with striking but its so important to learn both its not funny
Reply:It would really depend ont he situation for me. I work at a hospitol, and if a patient or visitor got violent (which happens pretty often) there is no way I could just knock them around until they decided to stay down. A joint lock would be my best bet. If I know help is coming quickly, I would definitely use grappling moves rather than do something that could seriously injure some one.
If I was getting mugged or something it would be all strikes. I'll call the cops after the guy is on the ground and doesn't need to be restrained.
But I'm only 5'5" and about 120 lbs, so even if the situation called for grappling, I might use some strikes to "soften 'em up," as my sensei liked to call it. ;)
Reply:striking because falling on the ground is your last resort and its harder to intercept weapons
Reply:Really complex question, but on it's face, grappling. most people are clueless about groundfighting, whereas it doesn't take a genious to figure out how to punch somebody.
Reply:Striking by far. It is faster and more effective. Less chance to get out of it. Bang,, bang you're done!
Reply:Im primarily a striker. Boxing atemi-ryu ju jitsu and aikido i focus on striking. I loe it but that doesnt undermine the importance of grappling. I grapple with wrestlers all the time that way i can learn to tand back up if one of my fights go to the ground besides now you have aloit of high school wrestlers who know a lil but are clueless about striking whereas the grounds there home
Reply:There are good %26amp; bad about both. Grappling is better on the ground %26amp; in close. Striking is better against multiple attackers %26amp; gives you the option of being more proactive. I'm a striker (Tae Kwon Do) but I recognize the advantages of other styles. My main reason for not taking up a grappling style is my age. I'm 59 %26amp; falling down hurts %26amp; it takes forever to get back up.
Reply:Okay the best would be a mix of the two. But striking can end a fight a lot quicker
Reply:by fighting. aggressively it would have to be striking, spur of the moment decision maybe contained outburst of anger or self control, of loss of control of ones emotions.
but as people on here have said, for a more controlled situation, ie. use by police in a "civilized" manner, it would have to be grappling. because you have complete control of the ammount of pressure to use. I think once they stop wriggling in pain or when they turn blue to black...
where as in striking, different people have diferent tollerance for pain and a soft strike the nose to one person is a different feeling to another person.
Reply:Striking. If you are fighting more than one opponent do you want to roll around on the ground and be tied up? If you are fighting one opponent do you wnat to roll around on the ground?
Reply:Why not use both and become a more well-rounded fighter?
Reply:Neither. Running! King of all sports.
When Grappling very heavy opponents like 250+, what is the best strategy? especially with the guard?
When grappling with really big guys who maybe out weigh you by 50lbs. what are the tircks? I've worked out with some huge guys. I just try to stay loose and avoid being put in any kind of hold. Its all good as long as I keep control and never need an escape. Sometimes I've had to pull guard. The thing is when pulling guard if you let them up high they can post up on you and their weight begins to suffocate you if you don't sweep. So how do you guys wrestle these giants? Anyone know good sweeps if someone much bigger has gotten high on your guard and have you chest to chest? I find it very difficult to work sweeps from that position.
When Grappling very heavy opponents like 250+, what is the best strategy? especially with the guard?
Gracies always appeared to stay patient and wait for one of their chubby arms to slip free.
The big guys aren't as flexible, so it won't take much of a lock to get 'em to tap.
After that, go get the ref to raise your arm, and resume breathing normally.
Good luck!
Reply:I've never really wrestled before, but I have a black belt in TKD and I wouldn't get close to a guy who knows how to fight close like that. I would personally stay at a distance that I can still attack from and find a few weak points to strike at him with. It would be a bad idea to draw out any attack with someone like that. The trick I would pull would be simply, speed.
Reply:I can definately tell you that if the guy is 250+ you do NOT want to be wrestling around with him. Gracies do really well because if you notice, most of their matches are against people their weight class, except in early mma, but that doesnt count because people like Kimo didnt know squat to begin with on grappling, well I take that back he knew a little, enough to make Royce take a little longer to submit him. Standing up, a guy may or may not have the advantage. On the ground, if the big guy doesnt know how submissions than you have the advantage. If evenly matched, than you better keep it standing cause 50 pounds is enough to hold you on the ground while he's punching you in the face. Even the escapes they teach you are a lot harder when applied to someone heavier and knows a little about grappling.
Reply:your best defence is submission wrestling you should look for a school that teaches it.
OKAY I HAVE THE ANSWER! if the guy is chest to chest you have to :
put your right hand (thumb to index finger part) under his armpit and extend your arm and as his center line shifts you shrimp down and out in that sides direction.
try it works and it works better than just shrimping alone.its all one motion shrimp and extend your arm over your head he'll go with it.
the other is grinding your elbows into his inner thigh to distract him so you can get out. elbows to the thigh hurt alot.
the best thing for takedowns with someone whos bigger is to learn a few judo throws ... look at this past UFC. JUDO is big.
Bjj isnt all that and a bag of chips anymore. Bjj translates to "the gentle art" its too slow for the new breeds out there. mma for ground is csw or any type of submission wrestling or fighting. those are your best bets.
Reply:Try Iron Mike Tyson's surefire technique, "the ear chomper". You can also try pinching him and biting a chunk off his throat or crush his family jewels in a viselike grip or if you're not too squeamish and don't care much bout your reputation, you can every try chomping his weener off : P
When Grappling very heavy opponents like 250+, what is the best strategy? especially with the guard?
Gracies always appeared to stay patient and wait for one of their chubby arms to slip free.
The big guys aren't as flexible, so it won't take much of a lock to get 'em to tap.
After that, go get the ref to raise your arm, and resume breathing normally.
Good luck!
Reply:I've never really wrestled before, but I have a black belt in TKD and I wouldn't get close to a guy who knows how to fight close like that. I would personally stay at a distance that I can still attack from and find a few weak points to strike at him with. It would be a bad idea to draw out any attack with someone like that. The trick I would pull would be simply, speed.
Reply:I can definately tell you that if the guy is 250+ you do NOT want to be wrestling around with him. Gracies do really well because if you notice, most of their matches are against people their weight class, except in early mma, but that doesnt count because people like Kimo didnt know squat to begin with on grappling, well I take that back he knew a little, enough to make Royce take a little longer to submit him. Standing up, a guy may or may not have the advantage. On the ground, if the big guy doesnt know how submissions than you have the advantage. If evenly matched, than you better keep it standing cause 50 pounds is enough to hold you on the ground while he's punching you in the face. Even the escapes they teach you are a lot harder when applied to someone heavier and knows a little about grappling.
Reply:your best defence is submission wrestling you should look for a school that teaches it.
OKAY I HAVE THE ANSWER! if the guy is chest to chest you have to :
put your right hand (thumb to index finger part) under his armpit and extend your arm and as his center line shifts you shrimp down and out in that sides direction.
try it works and it works better than just shrimping alone.its all one motion shrimp and extend your arm over your head he'll go with it.
the other is grinding your elbows into his inner thigh to distract him so you can get out. elbows to the thigh hurt alot.
the best thing for takedowns with someone whos bigger is to learn a few judo throws ... look at this past UFC. JUDO is big.
Bjj isnt all that and a bag of chips anymore. Bjj translates to "the gentle art" its too slow for the new breeds out there. mma for ground is csw or any type of submission wrestling or fighting. those are your best bets.
Reply:Try Iron Mike Tyson's surefire technique, "the ear chomper". You can also try pinching him and biting a chunk off his throat or crush his family jewels in a viselike grip or if you're not too squeamish and don't care much bout your reputation, you can every try chomping his weener off : P
Does grappling provoke attacks of opportunity?
I play Dungeons and Dragons and I'm not sure if grappling provokes attacks of opportunity
Does grappling provoke attacks of opportunity?
Yes.
Step 1 Attack of Opportunity. You provoke an attack of opportunity from the target you are trying to grapple.
If the attack of opportunity deals damage, the grapple attempt fails. (Certain monsters do not provoke attacks of opportunity when they attempt to grapple, nor do characters with the Improved Grapple feat.)
If the attack of opportunity misses or fails to deal damage, proceed to Step 2.
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Does grappling provoke attacks of opportunity?
Yes.
Step 1 Attack of Opportunity. You provoke an attack of opportunity from the target you are trying to grapple.
If the attack of opportunity deals damage, the grapple attempt fails. (Certain monsters do not provoke attacks of opportunity when they attempt to grapple, nor do characters with the Improved Grapple feat.)
If the attack of opportunity misses or fails to deal damage, proceed to Step 2.
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Grappling useless in the real world?
I watch a lot of MMA and was thinking of taking up grappling, but my friend said it is useless in the real world.
He said that as soon as I take a fight to the ground, a friend of the guy Im fighting will just stomp on my head. And going to the ground makes it harder to flee if you need to. Is this true?
What should I take then?
Grappling useless in the real world?
The guy who said some Muay Thai with a bit of grappling is probably most correct.
The ground is the last place you want to be in an uncontrolled enviornment, but you need to know what to do in case you do end up there.
Muay Thai will teach you push kicks that will keep your opponent from closing in enough to lock up, and if he gets passed leg distance, a good jab should keep him back. Next will be some good knees and/elbows. If he gets past that, then you need to know how to react in close quarters/on the ground.
There are some rules in MMA that are for protection, but also give grapplers an advantange when they are moving in. In the ring, in a controlled enviornment, grappling is definatly tough to beat, but in the real world, while you do need to know it, you want to keep it your last option.
I say learn something like Muay Thai, and supplement it with some grappling.
Reply:hey!
yay I ABSOLUTELY LOVE GRAPPLING :)
and i think it can really come to use, most of the majority of people dont know how to fight on teh ground so grappling gives you that extra edge, and dont worry there if you take classes they will teach you what to do and what not to do so you dont get your head stomped off!
go for it! its amazing :)
Reply:Rickson Gracie is a 7th Degree Black Belt Open Class Champion of the Gracie Family, whose technique is considered to be the finest expression of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in the world. His innate talent and early mastery of the sport have resulted in an impeccable undefeated record in more than 400 fights, including Jiu-Jitsu tournaments, free-style wrestling, Sambo, open weight free-style competitions, and no holds barred challenge matches. So I'd have to say grappling is one of the best, if your trained well in it.
Reply:Your friend has a point, that could happen but in a one on one or if you have friends there that keep your opponents from jumping into it a person with solid grapping skills always has a big advantage. The bottom line is all the best fighters are well rounded in striking and grappling.
Reply:okay your friend is an idiot if anything you want to take it to the ground especially if you are a wrestler (like me) because they can do whatever they want and you can reverse,escape or almost automatically defend because it come instinct
Reply:Hate to sound like everyone esle one here, but if you want to learn to fight, just to learn to fight.. yeah Muay Thai and BJJ are a great mix, boo hoo at me for conforming... ( I am coming around) If you want to learn a Martial Art, philosophy, culture and values, any "formal style" is great with proper instruction...
Reply:i think what your friend said makes sense
but grappling is god to know
maybe try a system that has both grappling and strikes best of both worlds :)
some suggestions are
hap ki do, kin bushi ryu, zen do kai, some japanese ju jutsu schools, "ninja" schools or just take up boxing and judo or something :)
Reply:You have to remember that most of the time, your average street fighter will simply charge at you, and then you can definetally use some grappling. As for the other guy's friends jumping in, yea it happens, and you have to make sure your friends are there also so that wont happen, or if your alone you really shouldnt be taking on more then one person if you dont feel comfortable with it. If the fight gets on the ground, and I would say from personal experience 60% of the fights do end up on the ground, you have a basic idea of what to do, and what to do if you ever get on your back and hes on top of you.
Besides, it cant hurt to learn it just for the hell of it. You will find that mixing up arts that you already know with grappling is very effecting. Suppose your a muay that artist, you can elbow with one arm and using the same arm in the same movement, take your opponent down with a head-and-arm or a shoulder throw.
Reply:Of course you don't use the same submissions in every situation. Come to think of it in my karate class we were practicing taking one guy's back to use him as a human shield. In my jujutsu class we practice the same thing.
Reply:Grappling is not useless. In fact, just the reverse. Kicking a guy in the head is not very useful. (And I am a karate guy..haha...can you believe that?)
If a friend is out of control, do you kick him or try to get a hold of him?
How often do you see police punching and kicking a guy? How about security officers? A doctor dealing with a patient.. would he be allowed to punch or kick him if the patient was being violent?
But, that being said, in a real fight "for your life".... I would much rather end it quickly by breaking a guy's leg, hitting him properly in a key spot, etc. Besides, there is no room to "go to the ground" in your average dance bar (unless you are fighting over why the place is so darn empty..haha).
So, it is really a good idea to learn both. You will probably need both skill sets as some point or another.
(I grew up in Canada... there is ice everywhere and almost every month of the darn year - so you are every likely to end up on the ground, even if you are just walking..haha. But seriously, a fighter in an icy place like Canada must know ground work.)
Reply:wrestling is not useless... Pankration the very art the spartans themselfs used had wrestling tactics think about if the spartans used grappling in there martial art it has to be usefull
Reply:The GRACIES have sure created a mistaken image of grappling.What makes people think you have to go to the ground to win.?One of the nastiest street fighters I have ever known was a 5th dan in judo and I never saw him go to the ground .Arm locks and bars and chokes work just as well standing and throwing someone violently to the pavement who doesn't know how to break fall can have devastating effect.He had good ground technique but he never had to use it
Reply:Learning anything is better then knowing nothing. An opponents friend can attack you while your standing also. If you want to become an exceptional martial artist, learn how not to fight.
Reply:Grappling is the start of real street fight but if u get close enough start punching and kicking
Reply:Even if the fight is one on one, I always say stay on your feet if you can in a street fight. Mainly because the opponent could have a knife on him and grappling could easily lead to you getting cut. Not to mention the stuff that may already be lying on the ground. And yes your opponent could also have friends near bye. But that doesn't mean grappling is useless. It can still come in handy depending on the situation, so learn it anyway. It adds to your arsenal.
Reply:if you become a good grappler you will be able to end the fite for the 1st person in a matter of 2 or 3 moves andas for the other guy if you are fast enough you can use his momentum as he is coming at you to hit you to end his fight aalso grappling is not useless . there r no guns in japan not even the cops have them guess what they use to subdue the criminals they r after grappling so guess what it worlks
Reply:Well brake the guy's bones then go fight to next one quickly! Worst disadvantage is if they break your fingers! Throw then around and then submit them! Break there ankles and move on to the next!
He said that as soon as I take a fight to the ground, a friend of the guy Im fighting will just stomp on my head. And going to the ground makes it harder to flee if you need to. Is this true?
What should I take then?
Grappling useless in the real world?
The guy who said some Muay Thai with a bit of grappling is probably most correct.
The ground is the last place you want to be in an uncontrolled enviornment, but you need to know what to do in case you do end up there.
Muay Thai will teach you push kicks that will keep your opponent from closing in enough to lock up, and if he gets passed leg distance, a good jab should keep him back. Next will be some good knees and/elbows. If he gets past that, then you need to know how to react in close quarters/on the ground.
There are some rules in MMA that are for protection, but also give grapplers an advantange when they are moving in. In the ring, in a controlled enviornment, grappling is definatly tough to beat, but in the real world, while you do need to know it, you want to keep it your last option.
I say learn something like Muay Thai, and supplement it with some grappling.
Reply:hey!
yay I ABSOLUTELY LOVE GRAPPLING :)
and i think it can really come to use, most of the majority of people dont know how to fight on teh ground so grappling gives you that extra edge, and dont worry there if you take classes they will teach you what to do and what not to do so you dont get your head stomped off!
go for it! its amazing :)
Reply:Rickson Gracie is a 7th Degree Black Belt Open Class Champion of the Gracie Family, whose technique is considered to be the finest expression of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in the world. His innate talent and early mastery of the sport have resulted in an impeccable undefeated record in more than 400 fights, including Jiu-Jitsu tournaments, free-style wrestling, Sambo, open weight free-style competitions, and no holds barred challenge matches. So I'd have to say grappling is one of the best, if your trained well in it.
Reply:Your friend has a point, that could happen but in a one on one or if you have friends there that keep your opponents from jumping into it a person with solid grapping skills always has a big advantage. The bottom line is all the best fighters are well rounded in striking and grappling.
Reply:okay your friend is an idiot if anything you want to take it to the ground especially if you are a wrestler (like me) because they can do whatever they want and you can reverse,escape or almost automatically defend because it come instinct
Reply:Hate to sound like everyone esle one here, but if you want to learn to fight, just to learn to fight.. yeah Muay Thai and BJJ are a great mix, boo hoo at me for conforming... ( I am coming around) If you want to learn a Martial Art, philosophy, culture and values, any "formal style" is great with proper instruction...
Reply:i think what your friend said makes sense
but grappling is god to know
maybe try a system that has both grappling and strikes best of both worlds :)
some suggestions are
hap ki do, kin bushi ryu, zen do kai, some japanese ju jutsu schools, "ninja" schools or just take up boxing and judo or something :)
Reply:You have to remember that most of the time, your average street fighter will simply charge at you, and then you can definetally use some grappling. As for the other guy's friends jumping in, yea it happens, and you have to make sure your friends are there also so that wont happen, or if your alone you really shouldnt be taking on more then one person if you dont feel comfortable with it. If the fight gets on the ground, and I would say from personal experience 60% of the fights do end up on the ground, you have a basic idea of what to do, and what to do if you ever get on your back and hes on top of you.
Besides, it cant hurt to learn it just for the hell of it. You will find that mixing up arts that you already know with grappling is very effecting. Suppose your a muay that artist, you can elbow with one arm and using the same arm in the same movement, take your opponent down with a head-and-arm or a shoulder throw.
Reply:Of course you don't use the same submissions in every situation. Come to think of it in my karate class we were practicing taking one guy's back to use him as a human shield. In my jujutsu class we practice the same thing.
Reply:Grappling is not useless. In fact, just the reverse. Kicking a guy in the head is not very useful. (And I am a karate guy..haha...can you believe that?)
If a friend is out of control, do you kick him or try to get a hold of him?
How often do you see police punching and kicking a guy? How about security officers? A doctor dealing with a patient.. would he be allowed to punch or kick him if the patient was being violent?
But, that being said, in a real fight "for your life".... I would much rather end it quickly by breaking a guy's leg, hitting him properly in a key spot, etc. Besides, there is no room to "go to the ground" in your average dance bar (unless you are fighting over why the place is so darn empty..haha).
So, it is really a good idea to learn both. You will probably need both skill sets as some point or another.
(I grew up in Canada... there is ice everywhere and almost every month of the darn year - so you are every likely to end up on the ground, even if you are just walking..haha. But seriously, a fighter in an icy place like Canada must know ground work.)
Reply:wrestling is not useless... Pankration the very art the spartans themselfs used had wrestling tactics think about if the spartans used grappling in there martial art it has to be usefull
Reply:The GRACIES have sure created a mistaken image of grappling.What makes people think you have to go to the ground to win.?One of the nastiest street fighters I have ever known was a 5th dan in judo and I never saw him go to the ground .Arm locks and bars and chokes work just as well standing and throwing someone violently to the pavement who doesn't know how to break fall can have devastating effect.He had good ground technique but he never had to use it
Reply:Learning anything is better then knowing nothing. An opponents friend can attack you while your standing also. If you want to become an exceptional martial artist, learn how not to fight.
Reply:Grappling is the start of real street fight but if u get close enough start punching and kicking
Reply:Even if the fight is one on one, I always say stay on your feet if you can in a street fight. Mainly because the opponent could have a knife on him and grappling could easily lead to you getting cut. Not to mention the stuff that may already be lying on the ground. And yes your opponent could also have friends near bye. But that doesn't mean grappling is useless. It can still come in handy depending on the situation, so learn it anyway. It adds to your arsenal.
Reply:if you become a good grappler you will be able to end the fite for the 1st person in a matter of 2 or 3 moves andas for the other guy if you are fast enough you can use his momentum as he is coming at you to hit you to end his fight aalso grappling is not useless . there r no guns in japan not even the cops have them guess what they use to subdue the criminals they r after grappling so guess what it worlks
Reply:Well brake the guy's bones then go fight to next one quickly! Worst disadvantage is if they break your fingers! Throw then around and then submit them! Break there ankles and move on to the next!
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