Sunday, April 26, 2009

Grappling or Striking Martial Arts on the street?

Which works best on the street?

Grappling or Striking Martial Arts on the street?
That depends on all factors at hand. Are there multiple oppenents, if so u want to move to one and the other as quickly as possible and avoid being tangled up grappling with one. Also depends on the practioner, you would want to use something that works for you. If your oppenet has a weapon and you had no other option but to fight, I would think that striking would be better there too. But mainly it comes down to the person useing the techniques. What they feel fits them and is more comfortable with, how much training they put into it and so forth.
Reply:Striking if they have friends grappling if not
Reply:too many options to say which is best. "On the street" could mean grass, concrete, glass, trash strewn alleyway littered with broken objects, etc. It could also mean 1-on-1, against many opponents, with weapons, without weapons, etc. All of those options and combinations mean different ways to take on the fight. The only thing that stays the same from one self-defense situation to the next is that the ultimate mission of self-defense is to escape the situation as quickly as possible, before the fight escalates to fatal consequences for yourself or any people with you.





That said, I'd rather know how to fight at every range, angle and position, than know how to fight at one. Striking or grappling only makes one very predicatable, and gives your opponent the chance to take you out of your element. A trained striker and stand-up only fighter who is taken down to the ground can have limbs broken or be killed in a scant handful of seconds because they aren't used to the position. The same can be said, though, for a trained grappler who is made to stand up and take strikes. It can take only seconds for a striker to dispatch a grappler with a broken knee and then a cracked skull.





Ultimately, training all aspects of fighting is the best bet: striking, grappling, takedowns and takedown defenses, kicks, punches, elbows, knees, chokes, joint locks, throws. Every aspect of a fight adds one more tool to your toolbelt, and the more tools you have the better off you are.
Reply:It all depends how strong you are in grappling and striking.If I got into a street fight I would go with striking.
Reply:Without a doubt, striking.





It may come to the ground but you DO NOT want to be there. If you are standing up you can run away. You can cope with multiple opponents. In the ground in a street fight you can expect all sorts of debris (like broken glass, rocks, dirt in your eyes).
Reply:It depends on what happens. Just like other posters said above, it depends on the situation at hand.





For one thing, you do NOT want to end up on the ground in any fight. It's good to know how to fight on the ground, but in a real street fight, that's dangerous for you, as you could get cut, get something in your eye, or get the soul stomped out of you. Not good.





As others said, striking would be the best. If someone grabs you, don't stand there and wrestle with him, headbutt that son of a piss or bite him or something. You always have to be one step ahead of the opponent ya know.
Reply:My martial arts instructor used to be a bouncer at one of those "bad" bars where bikers drink. According to him, every fight he witnessed was over in a matter of seconds. Fists are thrown, there is no room for manueverability, and whoever is the better with his fists will put the other person on the ground.





There are no rules in street fights. That's what makes it much more unpredictable than competitive arts.





I will say that discipline aways trumps raw ability. But discipline comes in many forms, so don't go into a bar expecting to easily beat the Hell's Angel biker who considers a little jail time to be an adequate payoff for stomping a mudhole in someone.





There is no one best art that works consistently on the street, unless you consider pulling a gun on someone an art. Martial arts are just not used often enough for there to be a clear dominator in real fights. Your best bet is to study different arts, get an idea for each of the teachings of the various arts, and build your own. In addition, do not neglect the physical training aspect of it, as Bruce Lee taught. Bruce Lee placed much emphasis on the arms and Abdomen, though you want a well rounded workout routine.
Reply:The question that I have for some of these people is why do they keep bringing up "multiple" opponents. That leads me to believe that 1) they are out causing trouble or 2) they are motivated by a phantom incident that may never happen.





I personally think learning both is most helpful. However, against a good street fighter or bar fight, neither likes to be taken down to the ground.





Therefore some sort of grappling would be most effective.





Good streetfighters, especially blacks (not being racist) have been known to beat down so-called black belts.
Reply:I've done security work that became physical. Striking - HARD - is the way to go. Make them wonder where their next breath is coming from with a solid punch/elbow to the solar plexus. Kick shins and ankles to take their balance and cause deep injury.





I've had to help partners that went to the ground and it isn't pretty for either of the people on the ground. It's not at all like landing or working on a ring, mat or dojo floor. In the real world where there isn't a ref and tap-outs don't mean crap, single opponent or not, try to stay off the ground.
Reply:Striking. Grappling takes too much effort and you don't want to be on the ground. Check out Krav Maga
Reply:Depends on what you call grappling. Is a Standing Wrist Lock or Standing armbar grappling. is Throwing someone to the ground and keeping youself standing grappling.





If so then they can both be effective. If your thinking of Grapping purely as a way to fight once both of you are on the ground then striking is your answer.





They can both be effective or not depending on the situation.
Reply:In a self-defense situation options are good. Just try to escape unharmed. Sometimes that means being aggressive and sometimes passive. Sometimes you grapple sometimes you strike. Grappling doesn't' always consist of going to the ground. Standing grapples can be effective and help lead to devastating strikes.


Also, the word "fight" implies it is a willing situation, one where you choose to engage in physical combat. Self-defense is far more serious than a fight because you are given no choice to walk away. In a self-defense situation you do what you must to survive, in a fight you just back away watching the other person/people to ensure it doesn't escalate to a self-defense situation.


Really, your training methods outweigh your style.
Reply:Forget about what they do in the ring or cage. Kick or grab them by the nuts and hurt them good. I knew a guy who was about 5'-9" tall and weighed around 165 lbs who never lost a fight. He always kicked them in the nuts and then gave them the boot while they were down.He whipped some of the biggest and toughest guys in town. Only one time he missed the guys nuts and they fough for about 30 minutes until he finally did get him in the nuts. Forget about the rules in a street fight or you're going to lose. Punch out the eyeballs, break fingers, choke hold them until they go to sleep, anything to hurt them. I've seen girls put guys down and in severe pain by kicking him in his balls and they could have really messed them up while down but didn't. Hurt them bad so they won't come back after you.
Reply:-one on one grapple. just keep in mind that it would be a risk to shoot in (look it up, its a wrestling move) some body, while fighting on concrete or something like that.





-more than one person, strike. maneuver around and try to keep one opponent in front of another. WHY, so one will not have to fight many at a time. get caught in the middle and you'll get a beat down. It's like using another person for a shield.





-its not smart to just be all about striking or all about grappling. try to be skilled at the two.





-On Multiple opponents, Akido has an interesting way of dealing with this. They don't use much strikes, when fighting a lot of people. I cant explain how they fight against many people, because i don't do Akido. From what i have saw, for multiple people i suggest Akido.


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